Posted by
William D. Dannenmaier on Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:47:42 PM
Sheila spent a half hour “talking” with our grandson August on the Internet this afternoon. He is a Marine in Iraq. He started by mentioning how he wished to be here and then drifted into his anger at our politicians who are ready to release enemy terrorists because of some imaginary legal error. When Sheila asked him how he was doing he said, “Well, we have our experiences.” I think I know what that means, I had hoped he wasn’t having them. He went on to add that while Iraq had been won, we were in a global war with terrorists and asked, “Don’t people realize that?”
I started writing the following several months ago, but had about decided to let it die. For Augie’s sake, I’ve decided to finish it. I’ll begin with my original introduction and writing.
I haven’t been sleeping too well recently. Among troubling dreams were a lot that had to do with the military, and complaints by people who have lived in luxury all of their lives complaining about the conduct of soldiers about “torturing” enemies.
Let me begin, actually I began up above, by saying I have some experience with soldiers in combat. I have six months up front with the 15th Infantry Regiment, four of them as a radio scout. I should add, for any amateurs who read this, which I hope includes most, that being in combat doesn’t mean you are fighting all the time. It means you’re always ready to fight. Even though tense and watchful, most of the time you are sitting watching enemy lines, rummaging around for food and water, hoping people will write you letters and dodging the occasional mortar or shell fire – mortar shells are silent and you have to be aware of the “pop” that means one is on the way. If it sounds like a locomotive is bearing down on you, it means get down and deep as fast as you can; heavy artillery is coming in.
You fight when you are sent out to do so, or when some enemy officer sends his people out to kill you. Sometimes it is vicious and bloody as in the battle for Outpost Harry in Korea where we lost 2300 men and killed some 7000, mostly in five nights of mass attacks or it may be small stuff a company against a company for example. Still, men, on both sides, who would rather be home with their families, get killed. You may, of course, and this is mostly a scout’s job, spend time out in no-man’s land, playing hide and seek with enemy scouts and always remembering that it is better to kill than to be killed.
Now, concerning torture: it is always by definition – as seen in the eyes of the receiver or as defined by the ignorant. What one person defines as torture may be luxury to another; it depends on your experience.
I suspect that every parent has heard, “You’re torturing me!” more than once. Having had eight children I have heard it numerous times. Usually, this has occurred over such orders as do your homework or finish your oatmeal or you need to rake some leaves before you go to the movies.
At the other end of childhood, we have some, perhaps many, Congress persons who would consider paying for their own tickets and riding on commercial aircraft torture.
But there is such a thing as real torture: something that brings pain to the person being tortured and, perhaps, permanent scarring or death. I know this is true.
Most people will tell you that persons who have been in combat will not talk about their experiences to others. The reason is that people who haven’t “been there” will not understand, but as a person who had been there I have had free discussions with men from the Second World War, Korea, and Vietnam. We understood one another. Up front, when you capture someone whom you believe knows something that might help save your life or the lives of others, you make certain they tell you what they know.
If it is a guerilla, working behind your lines, after you have learned as much as you think you can, you kill him. If the person is a soldier – in uniform – that has been captured, and if it is safe to do so, you send him back to a prison camp. Otherwise, you have no choice. He or they, die so that you and your comrades live.
If someone is shooting at you from a house with women and children in it: you shoot back. If the women and children are killed, it is the shooter’s fault, not yours.
This was true in World War II in both Europe and Asia, it was true in Korea and it was true in Vietnam. Mercy and legal rights may be proper for prostitutes, shoplifters and Congressmen, but the rules of combat are different.
It is nice to be charitable, but combat has different rules. I know of two young Chinese soldiers who disobeyed this once. They captured a Greek soldier whom I knew: an exceptionally tall, strong man with a badly scarred face. They got careless. He killed both of them and returned safely. If they had been more experienced he would have died, and they would have lived another day.
Everyone I know who has served in combat is either aware of such situations, has witnessed them or has participated in them. If our political and legal leaders wish to imprison such persons, they should set up concentration camps and simply imprison all men who have actually served in combat – under their orders.
Please note that in NONE of the above am I excusing the abuse and humiliation of persons safely imprisoned in rear areas, such as happened at the Abu prison in Iraq and to Senator McCain in Vietnam.